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Voltage Drop - Auto Industry Wires Crossed

Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:07 AM EST
politics, obama, bailout, general-motors, auto-industry, chevy-volt
By Mike of the North
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As Obama once again regurgitated the the talking points of the U.S. auto industry bailout complete with assumptions and fuzzy math during his State of the Union address, I couldn't help but ponder the status of the icon of GM's return to greatness and a dawning of a new age of American 'green' transportation, the Chevy Volt...

Government Motors Co. had planned to sell 10,000 Volts last year and announced this boastfully when they unveiled the car even though any other model that only sold 10,000 units would be considered an abysmal failure. GM however fell short of their 'goal' even as low as it was managing to move only about 7600 units or about the same number of Tahoes sold every MONTH last year which was less than half it's 2002 peak as well at just over 80,000 units compared to 209,000.

Obama though touted GM as a success. It's sales WERE up almost 5% on the year which is great though the industry average was more than double that. Still, that's fairly impressive considering how many areas GM is still bleeding out in. The aforementioned Chevy Volt starts at about $39,000 but production costs per united have been estimated at $250,000. Add to that the fact we're giving anyone who buys one a $7,500 tax credit (assuming you buy the car and can itemize your deductions and have a high enough tax liability to take the full deduction, see your accountant for details) and We the People, the shareholders of Government Motors Co. are really getting taken...

Then there's the whole recall fiasco... Wait, GM won't call it a recall, but they're calling back 8,000 Volts (yea, damn near all of em) for 'structural modifications'. Volt battery packs have been catching fire days after crash tests.

 

And on the topic of success... Obama's definition of success seems to be that of 2008's Wall St. bankers. Since GM's IPO, share prices have been plummeting, and prices quickly dropped below the $28/ share break even point and haven't recovered. So what we have is a company falling behind the competition, losing share value with unmarketable products and Obama calls it a success...

Maybe there's hope...

Upon thinking the $39,000 price tag was a bit much for what I was getting, I looked into what else I could get get for that money and the inconvenience of having to stop at a gas station more often.

Mercedes Benz C250 $36,000

Cadillac CTS $39,000

BMW 328i $35,000

Just to name a few.

I'm not holding out much hope. GM is scrambling their eggs in the wrong basket and their number one cheerleader has a strange idea of what success is. The front office is a revolving door and we seem to have resurrected the Titanic and set it to sail without fixing the gash in the hull.

 

 

 

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Bad Fish

I am in the auto industry and very familiar with the Chevy Volt. Every customer my Store sold a Volt too made well over $200,000 a year and had assets in the 1% of income earners range. The car does not provide and economic green advantage. They bought the car much like the prius buyer, because green is stylish in upper end social circles. We have cars available that get 40mpg that have a significantly lower carbon foot print. They aren't cool though!

How healthy is General Motors post bail out? We have models on the lot right now that cost 17k and offer the dealer a $73 profit if sold at MSRP. How are the dealers going to stay in business with huge profit margins like this? Production costs remain unsustainably high because the unions benefited the most from the bail out. General Motors needed to file bankruptcy naturally without the bail out. Private equity firms would have re-floated the new GM without the unsustainable union agreements. GM will fail again because there is no way to restructure with the dependents Government placed on the agreements.

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Reply#1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:15 PM EST
Marshall James

what I find quite interesting is that in 1984 the honda crx hf had mpg of 51/61........and we have a hard time getting hybrids to get that now.

25 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!

yea I know that it was small and had 60hp....but still over 25 years of technological advancements we couldnt improve on that??

hell the new mustang v6 makes over 300 hp and get 31 mpg on the highway....why is it that some economy cars making 150 hp and that are 600lb less were only getting 34mpg just a couple of years ago???? my 2011 honda civic for example.

something stinks in this whole thing.

it just doesnt make sense.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:43 PM EST
WBOB in Indiana

Used to be a big fan of GM, their management and their products. It's not all bad,...but the downward trend doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:02 PM EST
Dog_Blue

Bad Fish I can't remember how many post I made indicating the same thing you stated, G.M. is nothing but a social needs center for union members. It does not even resemble a business. They screwed bond holders over. If they could have filed for bankruptcy they coulf have reorganized without the "helping" hands of the unions. The money wasted on them could have been made available to small innovative auto companies such as Tesla which can repond to market conditions faster amd are not so imcumbered like the dinosaur GM.

Marshall, I had a 1979 VW rabbit diesel made in Deutchland and it got nearly 50 to the gallon! What happened?

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#1.3 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:27 PM EST
Dog_Blue

Manufacturers data '(45 mpg city/up to 57 mpg highway)" VW rabbit diesel

http://s87762315.onlinehome.us/history.php?site=vw

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#1.4 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:50 PM EST
Marshall James

yea something is crookedly wrong here.

maybe they are playing into the report from iron mountain.

I dont know....but it stinks to high hell.

and the masses arent aware or dont care.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:39 PM EST
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Chucky Stuart

The environmental damage that comes from mining the materials for all those batteries, producing the batteries, and disposing of the batteries when they go bad more than outweigh any green benefits from zero-emissions. Best to stick with a high mileage gasoline vehicle.

Marshall, I had a Geo Metro back in the 80's in college and got well over 50mpg. You're right, something stinks.

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Reply#2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:44 AM EST
Marshall James

chucky

this is why I dont buy this environmental movement.

I am all for making our environment cleaner...but what is going on just doesnt make sense...they are making things worse...and telling us they are making it better.

they push corn ethanol on us...then gore admits he knew it was worse for the environment and just was propping up the corn industry.

It just doesnt make sense...and I wish more people would question it.

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#2.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:55 AM EST
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