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Freedom Under Fire

Wed Apr 6, 2011 6:26 AM EDT
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By Mike of the North
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When Pastor Terry Jones burned a Koran in Florida with 30 measly onlookers, it ignited fury across the globe. Angry protests, and murders of innocent people in direct retaliation. But there is no protests against the murderous extremists, no calls for justice from the Afghan president against THEM. Instead, they want JONES arrested and charged for express his views in a non violent manner.

This does not suprise me coming from the middle east. It does surprise me when it comes from our own fellow Americans. In the face of religious persecution our founders established the freedom of religion. In the face of prosecution our founders established the freedom of speech. At the time of our founding these were radical ideas. Ideas which we have since fought and died for in numerous wars.

Terry Jones' views are extreme, but not unfounded. He spoke out against the violent acts commited in the name of Islam. That he was answered with violent acts of retribution is further evidence of his message. Innocent people were murdered, even beheaded. But I am ashamed to say that many of my American brothers and sisters don't point the finger at those who killed, but he who spoke.

I never thought I would see AMERICANS allow the threat of unwarranted violence deter us from our own liberties that our brothers, sister, fathers and mothers have DIED to protect. I have seen here on the vine people wish and even call for physical harm done to him. That we could call for prosecution of a man speaking his mind is a much larger threat to our nation and our freedom than any terrorist organization could ever be.

Our very freedom is under attack and the enemy, is US.

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gatoralum

This moron has not had his freedom impinged one iota. He burned the koran and people died. He got what he wanted. He is free to do it again and again. Private citizens complaining about what he did are also exercising their right to free speech too. If you had a point, you forgot to put it in your article.

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Reply#1 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 7:16 AM EDT
Mike of the North

If you had a point, you forgot to put it in your article.

Perhaps you should read it. People are calling for him to be prosecuted over a protected act. SOME are even calling for harm to come to him. The fact is, threats of violence shouldn't silence an opinion. If so, you cannot call it freedom.

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#1.1 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 7:33 AM EDT
gatoralum

And those people are also exercising their right to say stupid @!$%#, just like the faux Christian pastor. No one can be prosecuted for what he did. People who threatent violence to him and his idiot followers can be prosected. Again, there is no threat to our First Amendment rights when stupid people say stupid things. And I did read the article. I do not comment without first doing so. You do realize that the First Amendment only applies to governmental attempts to limit free speech, right? If there is no governmental involvement, there is no first amendment violation.

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#1.2 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:50 AM EDT
Mike of the North

Again, there is no threat to our First Amendment rights when stupid people say stupid things.

There is when the believe what they say. When they believe wholeheartedly that there should be legislation to 'remedy' this 'problem'. They can speak their mind that's fine. It's the thought process behind it that scares me. That they would give up freedom, to appease terrorists.

    #1.3 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
    gatoralum

    I don't know who "they" are. As a lberal and First Amendment near absolutist, they can say what they want but "we" will not let them restrict freedom. Kind of like trying to restrict the freedom of Americans of the Muslim faith from building a community center in New York, don't you agree? Or the vandalism at the proposed Mosque in Tennessee and the hateful protests outside the Mosque in Orange California. Anyone who tries to interefere with the basic freedoms of Americans should be opposed. We should not give up any freedoms either to appease terrorists or in the name of combatting them.

      #1.4 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 10:21 AM EDT
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      Marshall James

      well said mike.

      but as we know there is a segment of our countr that only believes in freedom of speech or expression when it suites them.

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      Reply#2 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 8:14 AM EDT
      Jim-789449

      Good article Mike, and very true, if Jones bought the Quran with his own money then it belonged to him to do with as he pleased; it’s a book, print on paper, not a priceless heirloom.

      The murder of innocent people over a book is insanity and trying to place the blame for those deaths on Jones is as insane, that’s like supporting the Muslims that committed the murders.

      I agree with you that the outrage seems to be on the wrong side of the fence, and we both know Islam is not going to do one damn thing about this; it is funny how many people refuse to see that Islam is a barbaric set of laws from the Quran that allows the murder of its own people.

      Now there is a group of Muslims here that want our court system to use their Islamic laws in any trial involving a Muslim, I am waiting to see if there is any outrage about separation of “church and state” over that one considering their law comes from the Quran.

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      Reply#3 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 8:52 AM EDT
      MWeaver

      I agree to a point. I think his motives were/are bigoted, as in, I don't judge all of Islam based on the actions of the minority.

      But he damn sure has the right to burn any book he wants. He damn sure has the right to express himself in any manner he chooses. If people don't like that in Afghanistan, France, Turkey, Canada or the US they are gonna have to learn to live with it.

      That's what freedom is. Being allowed to do and say things that pisses everybody else off. I see this as an United States civil rights issue, and nothing else.

        Reply#4 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 8:09 PM EDT
        mountainfirefall

        Sorry... but i can't help but wonder what would happen to ANYONE who burned a bible in our backyard.

        the teaparty people would just riot.

        i'm never to quick, that i overlook a situation if it was done by or against us with our own sacred objects/book.

        just sayin.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#5 - Thu Apr 7, 2011 12:54 AM EDT
        Mike of the North

        the teaparty people would just riot.

        Somehow I doubt it but if so do you think they would kill and behead innocent people because of it and would you then hold whomever burned the bible accountable?

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        #5.1 - Thu Apr 7, 2011 7:38 AM EDT
        mountainfirefall

        no idea... has anyone burned a bible?

          #5.2 - Thu Apr 7, 2011 11:23 AM EDT
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